You haven’t posted to this blog in 2 1/2 weeks.

As I said, this should show you that your separate but equal policy is nonsense.

It’s perhaps true I got Koss’ research wrong, and in my defense, it’s the same error most people make and the same error about it that is constantly reported about it. Almost always when reading about Koss, or anti-rape programs, what is cited is that women have a 1 in 4 chance of being raped in their college years. If it is the case that that wasn’t her research, you should be trying to correct the feminists and rape programs that keep on misstating her. But I thank you for your correction.

I like how you disregard the stats coming out of ASU using actual numbers that show that your paper numbers and hers are nonsense.

That’s not how science works Barry. Science works not by leaning back on your paper numbers, but by comparing theory to reality, not by ignoring it.

You’re not the only person who wants to stop rape. So if ASU’s experience is abnormal, then we would expect to see ASU’s police/rape programs/feminists/coordinators making hay of their enormous success. That they don’t make large splashes in the news with their justifiably excellent program demonstrates they don’t think their success is as abnormal as you do.

Regarding how her research has been replicated, amongst the possibilities are that in this field, it’s been so heavily politicized by folks such as yourself, that it turns into a self-fullfilling research trap, like the infamous 2% number of false rapes claimed by Brownmiller. That number has been shown to have no underlying credibility, and yet we have one paper after another citing it as truth.

This blog of yours is dead. You don’t care about. You have it here to justify your wrongheaded policy of separate but equal.

You don’t even believe that. If you did, for instance, you would link to it from Alas,

I would link to what from Alas?

As for ASU, who knows? Koss’ study used a nationwide sample. It’s illogical to expect individual campuses in 2008 to have results identical to that of a nationwide sample in the 1980s, unless you think that regional and temporal differences are impossible.

Maybe rapes really happen less often on ASU campus, and the campus should be a model. Or maybe the campus culture there doesn’t encourage reporting. Or maybe most rapes reported to campus police aren’t reported in school newspapers. There’s no way I can tell from here in Oregon. To seriously answer your questions, someone would have to do legitimate, detailed studies of what’s going on at the ASU campus.

The legitimate comparison is the one I made — I compared Koss’ nationwide sample to the nationwide average for rapes reported to campus police authorities. That individual campuses don’t match the nationwide figures doesn’t prove that the nationwide figures are wrong, any more than pointing out that some men are five feet tall disproves that the average height for a male is 5′9″.

As I’ve pointed out several times, Koss’ findings have been replicated again and again, including by major federal government studies. It’s not just Koss you’re disagreeing with at this point; it’s a substantial body of literature.

ASU has 52,000 students. 26,000 women. That’s 15 times your BOTEC. That’s presumably 15 rapes a year believing all your other calcs. That’s at least 1 rape reported each month.

Again, where are the rape reports? Web Devils, the campus newspaper and the AZ Republic are not reporting 1 reported rape each month. You can’t even find them reporting your claim of one rape a year.

And if ASU is like most campuses, it’s not 50% women, it’s more like 55% women. And the AZ Republic and Web Devils have similar majorities of women on staff.

Why is no one there reporting rapes to match your claims? Why are all these women keeping silent? How come we can’t find the websites of women discussing their rapes at ASU or how their rapes were silenced?

Why is the Arizona Democratic government and the get tough on crime sheriff not reporting this stuff? Why aren’t critics of ASU not bringing the “real” rape numbers as you would claim up?

If ASU is abnormal and has abnormally low amounts of rape, how come we don’t hear about their program being a model of success?

The comment count here and the comment count there should help you understand why separate but equal is wrong.

This blog is much newer; it’s illogical to compare it to a blog that’s six years old and expect it to have developed equal readership already.

And in this case, unneeded except to keep an actual dialog from occurring, which presumably, is your intent.

My intent is just what I said it was — to facilitate intra-feminist dialog. If you choose to believe I’m lying about my intent, that’s your problem, not mine.

Mary Koss’ (UofA) research demonstrates that 25% of college women will be raped prior to graduation.

No, that’s not what Koss’ research says. This isn’t a matter of opinion: you are totally wrong. You don’t know even basic facts about the research you’re criticizing.

What Koss’ research found is that about 1 in 4 female college students had experienced rape or attempted rape at some point in their life since the age of 14.

Also, Koss’ research showed that the vast majority of rapes did not take place on campus, and were never reported to authorities. Using back-of-the-envelope math, I calculated that, if Koss’ numbers are correct, we’d expect that about 1 rape will be reported to campus police each year on an average-sized college campus.

Mary Koss’ (UofA) research demonstrates that 25% of college women will be raped prior to graduation.

ASU has 52,000 students. Let’s say 24,000 women (because it divides easier). In four years that’s about 6,000 rapes per year, or about 500 rapes per month, or about 15 rapes each and every day.

So according to Koss’ research there are 15 women every day being raped at ASU.

http://www.google.com/search?q=rape+site%3Aasuwebdevil.com

The ASU student newspaper, searched for rape, reveals no rapes, but a lot of rape prevention efforts (as of 2/2009)

The same search at the AZ republic, reveals one rape lawsuit, settled, and no other rapes.

http://www.google.com/search?q=rape+asu+site%3Aazcentral.com

This azcentral page says the campus police stats are not 1 in 4, but 1 in 20.
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/specialreports/articles/2007/10/30/20071030daterapelinks10302007-CR.html Campus police estimate 1 in 20 victims tell police.

If Ross’ stats are correct, I cannot understand why the Web Devil (Student newspaper) or the AZ Republic are failing to report on the 15 rapes per day that are occurring. Even with 5% of rapes being reported, that should mean there is a rape being reported to police every day (at least every other day.)

Why is the Web Devil covering this up? Why is the AZ Republic covering this up? Why are AZ politicians covering this up (including Democratic former governor Janet Napolitano, and Democratic Attorney General Terry Goddard, and Tough on Crime Sherriff Joe Arpaio, and I would think that Arizona citizens, parents, students would be outraged.

The silence of this ASU rape epidemic confounds me.

Feminism is another Chicken Licken just like:

#Global Warming
#Millenium bug, and planes falling out of the sky
#Asian takeover
#The ‘Nuclear Winter’ after the inevitable war with Russia
#Climate change from Atom Bomb tests
#Communism taking over the world
#The coming Ice Age (still on it’s way I believe)
#The Sun exploding and destroying the earth (not canceled- but don’t hold your breath)
#Meteor (ite) strike
#The BIG ONE earthquake
etc. etc.

The only difference is that feminism gets billions in Government Grants to stay alive.

You only have waves of feminism because the gullible soon wake up and you need a gap to reach the next gullible generation.

Just one more example of anti-seminism….

But, of course, if were in common usage amongst feminists, complaining about it/mocking it still wouldn’t be anything like a substantive critique of feminism. If CHS has finally explained what’s so objecitonable about tweaking the English language’s masculinist history, she’s keeping it pretty close to the vest.

(good post, just stumbled across you new venture. Glad to find it)